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It has, of course, also a conservative side; it recognizes that definite stages of knowledge and society are justified for their time and circumstances; but only so far.[7]

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Wasn't the point to move as many articles to the English Wikinfo as possible and to encourage people creating articles there? Wasn't the Multilingual Wikinfo supposed to become as disambiguation and reorientation for the other wikis (and to contain these disambiguations and articles in other languages of which we don't have subwikis)? What's the use of having more red links here if that's going to happen? Which part of this did I misunderstand? --Anime Addict (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

The sudden, and unexpected, forwarding of a reader or editor to another wiki which occurs using that scheme is disorienting. The movement of articles which have corrupted text to the other wikis is also a problem. We need to get rid of everything, especially templates which have corrupted text. Also moving an article without updating or improving it while adding template:14 to it created the impression it has been updated when it has not been. There are a number of problems here, but moving articles from here to the English Wikipedia solves none of them. Fred Bauder (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
It was moved to the English Wikinfo. The article from Main (Multilingual) Wikinfo was just a direct import from Wikipedia from 2010 and not edited since then, the article on the English Wikinfo was technically updated to 2014, since it was Wikipedia's version of the article from 2014. --Anime Addict (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Unique template

This template talks about significant content, so I haven't been using it when I'm just adding links or suggested reading. The result is they keep disappearing. Should we have a different template for this, or reword the old one? Peter jackson (talk) 09:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I think I should be more careful when importing or updating articles…. Fred Bauder (talk) 09:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
If the additional material or editing is worth saving when and if the article is updated there should be some way of flagging it. Keeping the variety of such templates to a minimum is desirable, so adding Template:Unique would be the best choice. Fred Bauder (talk) 10:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Now you seem to have managed to remove the entire France article, which is reasonable enough as far as duplicating WP is concerned, but that one actually did have the template on it. Here's the material I added:

"The name is used in three different ways:

  1. Metropolitan France, located in western Europe, bordered by Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco, Andorra, and Spain[1]
  2. the above together with the overseas departments in Africa and the Americas; their people are French citizens, they elect members to the French Parliament and they are governed by French and European law[2]
  3. all the above together with overseas collectivities and territories; their people are also French citizens and they too elect members to the French Parliament, but they are governed by their own laws, not by French and European law[3]

In this wider sense France is in more continents than any other country (cf. List of countries spanning more than one continent), and the sun is always above the horizon somewhere within it (cf. the empire on which the sun never sets)."

This should go somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Peter jackson (talk) 10:27, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

In France (country). Importing, or even hosting, huge articles like Wikipedia:France is no good; they load slowly, if at all, and, frankly, are huge christmas trees with everything anyone can think of in them. Our article also was a train wreck for some reason and did not display correctly. That was probably due to the nav box so rather than trying to fix it I replaced it with a link to the Wikipedia article. Fred Bauder (talk) 14:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
As I said, I've no objection to not cluttering the site up with WP mirrors; but I'm awaiting your suggestions as to where my unique material should go instead. Peter jackson (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
In either France, which is a disambiguation page, or France (country) Fred Bauder (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Done both. Peter jackson (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


  1. This sense is used by the following: the United Nations Statistics Division,[1] (lists France under Europe and overseas departments as separate countries); the International Standards Organization, [2]; World Gazetteer, [3] (omits France from list of transcontinental countries); Encyclopaedia Britannica; the internet (domain .fr)
  2. This sense is used by the following: the BBC,[4]; the CIA World Factbook, [5]
  3. Europa World Year Book, Routledge


I was looking at our Act, and as far as I can tell it's OK to link to internet copies of copyright books unless we have reason to believe they lack permission (rather than the opposite presumption). Is that the law over there? Peter jackson (talk) 10:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what we should do. I'm pretty sure we don't want to link to out and out pirates but to google books probably or to the author's page if they have it up, yes. Links to internet copies of books that are currently being used as textbooks is not good. Fred Bauder (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Update and maintenance

I have started upgrading and doing some maintenance on the software. You can monitor progress at 24.1 is installed. probably try to get <math> to work next. Fred Bauder (talk) 22:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, I can now get here, but not enwf, the reverse of the usual relative difficulty. Peter jackson (talk) 03:16, 17 February 2015 (CST)
After I get math working here, I'll start on enwf. Fred Bauder (talk) 04:09, 17 February 2015 (CST)
Thanks for getting that working again. Note, however, that so far the "upgrade" seems to be a downgrade in some respects. The EditTools are now buried in a mass of charinsert tags, and even when you find them they're only in copy-paste mode, not click mode. (And they're still not available here on ML at all.)
Do Special:Version and see what is missing. Fred Bauder (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2015 (CST)
Installing Extension:CharInsert Fred Bauder (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2015 (CST)
Done. Note that character insert can also be obtained through selection of the editing toolbar under preferences editing Fred Bauder (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2015 (CST)
Thanks. Now working properly over there, but still not at all here. Peter jackson (talk) 03:54, 27 February 2015 (CST)

There is no content in MediaWiki:Edittools here. Fred Bauder (talk) 04:09, 27 February 2015 (CST)

Wrong, but it doesn't show up. Fred Bauder (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2015 (CST)
A further mystery. When you recreated Wikinfo in its new location as ML, the settings for user rights got changed, so my admin powers were reduced to blocking and rollback (I've never got round to finding out what that is). Now I can once more move, delete and protect. Strange. Peter jackson (talk) 12:28, 26 February 2015 (CST)
That was probably a matter of running update.php Fred Bauder (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2015 (CST)


Over on enwf, I noticed that Zeshan Mahmood had created an article enwf:State of Israel which is the very opposite of SPOV. I thought I should move it to Criticism of ..., and looked over here for an SPOV article to replace it. But the one that you say in your edit summary was imported from WP displays on this computer as content-free: templates, infobox, references etc. but no actual article. Peter jackson (talk) 06:32, 26 October 2015 (CDT)

Running out of time. Maybe you could finish sorting things out over there. Peter jackson (talk) 07:07, 26 October 2015 (CDT)

Moved it to enwf:Israel according to Islamism and identified the image of the Temple. Fred Bauder (talk) 08:52, 26 October 2015 (CDT)

Thanks, and for alerting Zeshan about policy. That was something I was going to do, but I ran out of time with both Wikinfo and the computer running slowly. Peter jackson (talk) 06:42, 27 October 2015 (CDT)

Math Formatting

Hi Fred,

I was going to try updating the old articles I worked on, but it looks like the math formatting is not enabled. See Relation Theory for an example. Cheers, Jon Awbrey (talk) 08:30, 29 October 2015 (CDT)

It seems that your imported articles on math subjects have the same problem, e.g. Natural number. Jon Awbrey (talk) 08:35, 29 October 2015 (CDT)

It is partially enabled but not in the excellent way it needs to be. I'll try to work on it. Fred Bauder (talk) 08:33, 29 October 2015 (CDT)
Okay, thanks. Jon Awbrey (talk) 08:38, 29 October 2015 (CDT)

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Re: Welcome

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RE: Installing RandomSelection

Going thru the /extensions folder, I saw that you didn't rename the folder after extracting from “RandomSelection-master” to “RandomSelection”. --stranger195 (talkcontribsguestbook) 05:34, 24 January 2016 (CST)

Done Fred Bauder (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2016 (CST)
Special:Version shows it is installed. You will have to test it, as I don't know what it does. Fred Bauder (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2016 (CST)


I've gone all the way through my contribution log and think I've found everything important. Most I've imported to the new site, but there are a few articles I haven't got to work. Presumably the files are too big or something.

First of all, some articles I moved from wf to enwf without porting the histories. I've been following my proposed procedure of porting the old, wf version first and then moving it to make room for the new. But the following wf versions wouldn't work (so I haven't yet tried the enwf ones).

  • Criticism of Wikipedia article on Buddhism
  • Arrangement of the Pali Canon
  • Buddhism according to scholars

Also enwf The Great Schism.

OK, try these again. Quite a bit higher size limits now. Fred Bauder (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2017 (CDT)

I notice Stranger and Wikinfo have been editing here and enwf in the last few days, but apparently not the new site. Have you told them about it?

I assume "unique" is relative to Wikipedia and there's no objection to duplicating Citizendium &c. Peter jackson (talk) 05:42, 30 March 2017 (CDT)

No problem with Citizendium articles, other than conflicting templates. I'll look into the issues you raise. Fred Bauder (talk) 11:33, 30 March 2017 (CDT)

Buddhism according to scholars worked, but not the other 3. Peter jackson (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2017 (CDT)

OK, I've just copy-pasted my material for those articles.

The spam filter won't allow me to edit the Demographics of Buddhism article, or any section of it, unless presumably I remove that link. Peter jackson (talk) 06:02, 19 April 2017 (CDT)

I have disabled the spam blacklist extension and the title blacklist extension. I was then able to edit that page. Fred Bauder (talk) 08:21, 19 April 2017 (CDT)